联署必须逆流而上的理由 Reasons the petition has to rise to the occasion
Dear, if you still can’t make the decision, come & read, I sincerely hope you can find the answer you want .
For chingus who are firmly against our statement and never turn back, please do not try to start a further discussion with us. What you want to know are almost all here in the text. Even though we are not in the same line, I still hope we can respect each other.
This announcement is published in Weibo with the agreement from SJ Bar admins, in order to let more people understand the reason behind our petition, making sure that the truth is not distorted by some. We hope you can read through carefully, and urge ELF to spread.
1. Why will we have the authority to question SM and request for actions?
To SME, we are the consumers, we are spending because of SJ, but in the process of purchasing, (especially SS5), we are also placed in the situation of being forced to buy, a simplest example will be: if you have ordered a coffee without sugar, but the boss decided to add in lots of sugar base on his own liking. I believe a minority of ELF, for the love of SJ, wouldn’t mind it. But Henry & Zhoumi participated almost 2/3 of SS5, this has disrupted the completeness of SS5, and it is against the initial objective of us going for SS5, thus, we have all the rights to demand from SME.
2. Henry and Zhoumi are also very hardworking, why can’t you accept?
This question is as dense as asking me why can’t you get to be first in class when you have worked so hard. We have the rights to accept only those we deem as talented and those we like (this is how we feel, please do not distort our intention).
3. Why wouldn’t you object to SJ participating SJM songs, but you are against SJM participating SJ songs?
Firstly, SJ and SJM are two inter-related groups, objecting against SJ participating SJM songs is the job of SJM fans, not ours. Secondly, it’s like you are working in a company, if you have made a major achievement, it will be company’s achievement too, but if the company has achieved, can you say it’s your credits? Of course not, the logic is that simple.
4. Why didn’t you take care of SJ’s feeling?
They have been hurt. We are in pain to see any SJ members whom had been affected in the process, but if we give up and give in, more hurt will follow subsequently. Hurt is both ways, every time something hurtful happens, it causes a dent in the solid relationship that SJ and ELF built over these 8 years.
5. With the amount of hurt that you have caused to SJ, you should just leave the fandom.
Needless to say, those who supported the petition are PURE SAPPHIRE BLUE ELF, we are mysophobe when it comes to sapphire blue. Now we have to accept this fact, SJ is no longer the young boyband, they do not have as much ability as newer and younger groups to attract fans, if they were to lose even the loyal fans, then SJ is not far from disbanding. You can easily see the difference in purchasing power of a loyal ELF (in terms of buying albums, tickets, doing fan support) against a kpopper/fan who loves every group.
6. What if the petition result in SJM being disbanded? SJM will not be coming to China (in this case some can even argue about Taiwan, Asia countries etc)
First of all, the petition only asked for a clear distinction between SJ and SJM, there has never been any intention to anti SJM, we hope those with hidden agenda will not distort the true meaning of the petition. Secondly, China is a huge market (so is the entire Asia), SJ has very solid fan base in China, it is not possible for SM to give it up. Even as extreme as it is, other than SJM, we still have SuperShow, so this concern is unfounded.
7. Why must you ONLY13? 13 doesn’t exist anymore.
Those who claim this seem to plan to mislead confused fans. No matter how many you ONLY, this is not the petition’s objective, the focus is to protect SJ members’ rights, this has nothing to do with number of people.
8. You are so naïve, SM will not be bothered.
We won’t even talk about what happened in July 2008, there is a video clip above; there is only one thing we can say, if not for the persistency of K ELF then, SJ had long became a group like AKB48, and you wouldn’t even know where your bias is by now.
9. Is it good necessary to blow up this matter to this extent?
If this is considered blowing up, then what K ELF did in July 2008 must have been illegal.
10. Why must you keep insisting? Live and let live.
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY EVERY WORD BELOW: you think letting go is to let live, but those H fans, ZM fans, kpoppers are taking advantage to invade, especially ABC fans (in this case C ELF means mainly foreign fans who speak predominantly English), even asking for H & ZM to be included into SJ. Yes, you did not see wrongly, it’s SJ, it’s asking to be included. There are even those who bashed Hyukjae because he clarified that they are not SJ members. We have always respected H & ZM but after Hyukjae plucking the courage and facing the pressure to stand out to clarify, yet he is receiving the bashing from ABC fans, this is really like the tail wagging the dog, this is very dangerous. ABC fans are even saying that Hankyung, Kibum are no longer in the group, to add H & ZM in fits the 13 notion well. Do you really bear to see the effort SJ previously put in to sow, gained by someone else who fits into the picture? I forgot to mention, a H fan told me a secret yesterday, there are times when the guest members did participated in the entire concert. You go analyze what this means. You only think of compromising, by doing so you can expect SJ to be left with nothing after others took their entire pie away.
11. Since H and ZM has ABC fans, why not include them to enlarge the fan base?
After all, H and ZM’s fans are built base on SJ’s foundation, but to SJ, these fans are not the majority, it is non-threatening. But if they lose K ELF and C ELF due to H & ZM, the result is hugely damaging. Furthermore, it will be great achievement if ABC fans can even contribute just 20,000 albums, most of the passer-by fans, kpoppers and biased fans do not contribute greatly in album purchase and voting.
12. We are in loggerhead with ABC fans, aren’t we afraid of splitting up the fandom?
ABC fans started growing after SJ entering the world market beyond 2009, they have never been through hardships, it’s like a poor man started off with nothing, but his wife stick with him through thick and thin, now that he is successful, he engages himself with a mistress. Now the mistress is climbing over the wife’s head and spreading rumours, you are still hoping to keep peace with her, others will only treat you like an airhead. As for fandom, let me reiterate, there will not be loss of ABC fans by drawing the boundaries clearly, even if there is, it is insignificant to make any great impact. But if we lose K ELF and C ELF, we are losing the main market. We cannot forget our roots, forgetting where we came from is very dangerous.
13. H & ZM had been suffering these times too, they are very pathetic.
Firstly, I do not deny they have their difficulties, but this is what they have chosen, so they have to embrace however tough it is. Furthermore, SJ has already shouldered much of the burden with them. Secondly, there are many poor souls in the world, what they have suffered may not be more than SJ members’. Most importantly, we are not god; we are not here to save the sinners.
14. (Fans who had not read the post written by SJ_Vote can skip this point) I have something to say pertaining to the misleading information that SJ Vote provided:
SJ vote is an unofficial group formed by fans, they are not in the position to publish any opinion pertaining to the petition. Announcement should only be made by official fan clubs. Voting group should know what they are only required to do. In addition, SJ Vote’s announcement had clearly misled and distorted facts, and this has caused many problems to both the petition and ELF. Personally I am asking for a formal apology from them on this issue. Most importantly, SJ voting had been actively urging fans to vote for H, I have much concern that this group is formed mainly by generic fans; any generic fans can never represent ELF. If my deduction is true, then this group is clearly cheating, making use of ELF’s devotion to SJ to work for others. This behaviour is unacceptable, I sincerely urge ELF who are in this voting group to withdraw from it.
15. SM is mighty, you can’t beat them.
SM is indeed mighty, so ELF should be slaughtered? We don’t know if we can beat them, but if we stand together nothing is impossible.
16. Isn’t SS5 planned by the members? Why can’t you respect the members?
SJ had been living with H & ZM for a long time, there is definitely brotherhood between them. We understand, and we respect this. But everything has its limits. We hope SJ can consider our feelings too when they take care of their friendships, because there is also deep feelings between ELF and SJ. To SJ, H & ZM are part of their family, but to ELF, SJ is our only family. H & ZM have their own fan bases and activities, so over-participation is unreasonable. Respect goes two ways, we hope SJ can respect our views too.
17. What’s so bad about appearing more in Super Show?
Even though a lot of ELF may not like H & ZM (please read: it’s unlike, not disrespectful), but why do we want to petition? These are not just some selfish fans who dislike certain members, but people who always put SJ as the top priority. We are more concern about SM using the theory of “boiling frog”(translator will explain the story at the end of the passage) causing the blurring boundaries between SJ and SJM, resulting in SJ members losing their positions when they return from national service.
18. Even Lee Hyukjae has given assurance, why can’t we believe them?
SM had used Hyukjae to shut the mouths of K ELF and C ELF, we are very proud of him picking up the courage to stand up and elaborate on this sensitive topic. It’s not that we do not believe Lee Hyukjae, but this involves compromising in principles, we can’t back down, what we want is not Hyukjae’s speech, we want to see actions being followed up in the future.
19. Why must Chinese (PRC) reject Chinese?
Humans are not products, there is no rejection, there is only like and dislike. Nationalism is irrelevant. Isn’t it unreasonable to associate entertainment with politics?
20. Some actually came to watch H & ZM, if they can only participate during SJM performances, what will happen to those fans?
This is not a problem that SJ and ELF has to be concern about, Super Show is SJ’s concert, as for those who came to see H & ZM, we thank you for your support for SJ, but the essence of the concert will not change, you have lots of choices to see them such as SJM showcases or their solo activities, so since you have decided to watch SS, you have to accept their level of participation.
21. Moral Ethics.
There are always some outsiders who like to question the morality on ELF, we have always stressed that we respect them and recognise their contribution to SJM, we urge everyone not to put words into our mouths, morality is not to be imposed on others alone, it is also to be used for self-restraint, so reprimanding others after twisting the facts is an acceptable behaviour? It’s the same old story about coffee with sugar, this behaviour is like other patrons in the café reprimanding you “how can you be like this? You are immoral! Why can’t you accept coffee with sugar?”
Last but not least, this petition is from PURE SAPHHIRE BLUE ELF, it’s our own business; those generic fans, H fans, ZM fans etc please refrain from reprimanding senselessly. We are raising our demands to SM, we are not directing at anyone, please do not misunderstand our intention. It’s a rare sight that in SJ bar, PURE ELF are being bashed by generic fans. This petition is an individual choice, our objective in writing this long passage is in hope that ELF are not taken advantage by some unknown fans, to clear off the misunderstanding raised from this petition. We apologise if we have missed anything, please feel free to add on.
T/N: The”boiling frog”story is a widespread anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually. (Taken from Wikipedia)
author: @yamalx from weibo
eng translator: Jeslyn Ho & Jeanie Chan